And Bachmann's alternative is to do what, exactly? Bomb the Iranians? I mean, does she actually think that the Iranians are just going to sit back and take it (an especially ludicrous notion in that we would probably have to hit them every two years or so)? That they wouldn't try and destabilize Afghanistan (by riling up the Persian speaking population there)? That they wouldn't try and destabilize Iraq even more so? That they wouldn't encourage and bankroll Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, etc. into attacking Israel? That they wouldn't attack OUR troops in the region? That they wouldn't fire off missiles into Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Israel? That they wouldn't try and shut down the Strait of Hormuz (where 90% of Persian Gulf oil goes through) and mine the hell out of that sucker? Look, I get it. She doesn't like President Obama and that is fine (I'm not a fan myself). But the guy is trying and probably pursuing the best of a bunch of bad options. Cut him some slack, I say.
They are no longer trying to destabilize Iraq now that we have delivered that nation to them on a US taxpayer silver platter. They are in Iraq helping the Shia government kill Sunnis.
What do we do? Continue what we have been doing: Keep the economic sanctions on. The alternative to negotiations is not war. That is a false choice peddled by leftwing propagandists.
If you believe Obama and Mr. Heinz-Kerry can get the better end of the bargain with the Persian Ayatollahs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Yes, Iran is already doing most of what Will listed.
Israel itself is quite justified in countering each missile that Iran is having Hamas fire at Israeli civilians with a missile to take out airbases, supply depots, and other aspects of the war machine inside Iran.
I'd say the options are the same as they were prior to any deal. The contract would have been breached, and all courses of action up to and including military strikes, would be fair game.
No one ever accused Bachmann of eloquence or subtlety of thought...
Simply ripping a page from Alinsky's book doesn't work. You've got to have a propaganda network and a manipulable public sympathetic to your demagoguery. She has none of that.
As you know, my sympathies generally lie with the Repubs, but they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
People like Bachmann hurt the cause, and I marvel at who clueless the GOP combatants are in the public arena of ideas. It's like they have no awareness whatsoever of the environment around them.
Bomb, bomb, bomb... Bomb, bomb Iran.. As one former candidate for the presidency sang. Or nuke them (something some Conservatives have suggested). I don't know how else AOW thinks Iran can be removed as an "option".
And Bachmann's alternative is to do what, exactly? Bomb the Iranians? I mean, does she actually think that the Iranians are just going to sit back and take it (an especially ludicrous notion in that we would probably have to hit them every two years or so)? That they wouldn't try and destabilize Afghanistan (by riling up the Persian speaking population there)? That they wouldn't try and destabilize Iraq even more so? That they wouldn't encourage and bankroll Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, etc. into attacking Israel? That they wouldn't attack OUR troops in the region? That they wouldn't fire off missiles into Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Israel? That they wouldn't try and shut down the Strait of Hormuz (where 90% of Persian Gulf oil goes through) and mine the hell out of that sucker? Look, I get it. She doesn't like President Obama and that is fine (I'm not a fan myself). But the guy is trying and probably pursuing the best of a bunch of bad options. Cut him some slack, I say.
ReplyDeleteWill,
Deletethe guy is trying and probably pursuing the best of a bunch of bad options
Iran itself is a bad option.
Let's see what the terms of the agreement are -- if there is any agreement at all.
Will,
DeleteIran does most of those things right now.
They are no longer trying to destabilize Iraq now that we have delivered that nation to them on a US taxpayer silver platter. They are in Iraq helping the Shia government kill Sunnis.
What do we do? Continue what we have been doing: Keep the economic sanctions on. The alternative to negotiations is not war. That is a false choice peddled by leftwing propagandists.
If you believe Obama and Mr. Heinz-Kerry can get the better end of the bargain with the Persian Ayatollahs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Yes, Iran is already doing most of what Will listed.
DeleteIsrael itself is quite justified in countering each missile that Iran is having Hamas fire at Israeli civilians with a missile to take out airbases, supply depots, and other aspects of the war machine inside Iran.
Let's say that Obama cuts a deal with Iran.
ReplyDeleteLet's further say that Iran quickly violates the terms of the agreement. What are the options then?
I'd say the options are the same as they were prior to any deal. The contract would have been breached, and all courses of action up to and including military strikes, would be fair game.
DeleteAbout what Bachman said...
ReplyDeleteEither we will all look back in a few years and say "What an idiot!" Or we'll all look back and say, "She was Cassandra."
Frankly, I have no idea which of those two will be the case.
Taking the entire collection of her quotes into account....I'm leaning completely toward idiot.
DeleteNo one ever accused Bachmann of eloquence or subtlety of thought...
ReplyDeleteSimply ripping a page from Alinsky's book doesn't work. You've got to have a propaganda network and a manipulable public sympathetic to your demagoguery. She has none of that.
Plus, her tweet was insensitive to the families and friends of those who died in that plane crash. Only the left can get by with that.
DeleteSF,
DeleteAgreed on all counts.
You've got to have a propaganda network and a manipulable public sympathetic to your demagoguery. She has none of that.
DeletePoetry. I wish I had thought of that.
CI: Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAs you know, my sympathies generally lie with the Repubs, but they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
People like Bachmann hurt the cause, and I marvel at who clueless the GOP combatants are in the public arena of ideas. It's like they have no awareness whatsoever of the environment around them.
They are the inverse-Sun Tzu
AOW: Iran itself is a bad option.
ReplyDeleteBomb, bomb, bomb... Bomb, bomb Iran.. As one former candidate for the presidency sang. Or nuke them (something some Conservatives have suggested). I don't know how else AOW thinks Iran can be removed as an "option".
Iran FM: 'We'll continue enriching, we won't close facilities...all sanctions will be terminated.'
DeleteAnd this...
DeleteIran Accuses U.S. of Lying About New Nuke Agreement:
Says White House misleading Congress, American people with fact sheet